Understanding Vertical Response and Salesforce

At ONE/Northwest we’ve been looking into Vertical Response (VR) as an emailing solution that is integrated with Salesforce.com. We’ve just completed our first implementations, and I wanted to share what we’ve learned about how VR behaves with Salesforce. I’m going to try to lay out what I know in as concise terms as possible. Some of this is already known to many of you, but it was surprisingly hard for me to get my head around. When I get something wrong please comment on this post and I’ll update as necessary!

First, VR for Salesforce.com is best thought of as an individual Salesforce user’s personal application for sending mass emails rather than a shared solution for an organization. Here’s why I say that:

  1. Each Salesforce.com user has their own VR account, and it is impossible for those accounts to share lists
  2. If one person starts a send, someone else can’t complete it
  3. If one person sends an email, they are the ones who will need to pull the stats back to Salesforce
  4. If a subscriber opts out, they are globally opted out of emails in Salesforce

Now that I’ve said that, let me say that VR accounts can share some important info:

  1. By creating your email Templates as Email Templates in Salesforce.com, they are available to all Salesforce/VR users.
  2. Salesforce Campaigns can be used to represent each send, and the stats get pulled back to them, so those are visible to all Salesforce/VR users. They can even be used for segmentation of future sends.
  3. You can pool send credits ($) between any number of users, you just have to email VR and tell them which users.


So, in short, VR for Salesforce is a strange hybrid between a shared blast emailing system and a personal blast emailing system.

How are things different when you use Salesforce as your database of email subscribers?

  1. You do everything related to email sends inside Salesforce
  2. The idea of a ’subscriber’ kind of goes away, really, as each send is a new ‘list’
  3. The list of current newsletter subscribers is better maintained as a Salesforce Report (or Reports) with the correct criteria, rather than a living list in VR
  4. When you want to do a send, you create a new Campaign, and then dump the Report contents into that Campaign
  5. The Campaign is the record of a send, not a living list of subscribers, but since Salesforce.com reports can pull from Campaigns, you could use a previous send Campaign to power a new send
  6. You can use Salesforce email templates for your sends
  7. You can pull opens, clicks, and bounce data back into the Campaign

I think that VR for Salesforce can be a great option for groups, but I would want to be very clear about how it works. Personally, I think the massive plusses of using Salesforce reports as your segmentation wizard and recording each send and the click data in Salesforce Campaigns override the limitations outlined above. But in the end, of course, that’s each group’s decision.

Reasons a client might not want Vertical Response:

  1. They need subscribers to opt in or out of many communication vehicles
  2. They need to have sends in a central place that multiple people can work on at once or in sequence
  3. They want to have the send coming from an address like something@mail.myorg.org rather than sometime like something@mail.vresp.com, without having to pay the $500 one-time fee to get it

I hope that clarifies things rather than makes things more confused. Like I said, it’s been hard to get to a real understanding of how VR works in conjunction with Salesforce, not that the VR folks haven’t been responsive. It’s just that there is a lot of functionality in VR and in this integration, and many of our assumptions of how tools like this work turned out to be false because of the strange hybrid nature of the tool

Again, if I’ve gotten anything wrong, please comment and I’ll update the post!

5 comments so far

  1. Patrick Shaw April 3, 2008 10:16 am

    Steve - terrific! We’ve been using VR a lot in SF (I’ll send along our how to document via email).

    One thing we haven’t done yet, but plan on doing is creating a web to lead or other sort of form that allows us to offer subscribers the option of selecting which communications they would like to receive. Instead of opting out globally (which of course they can do if they wish), we’d have a link that would map to Salesforce fields such as “volunteers newsletter, donor newsletter, board newsletter” and they could select the right vehicle - and then we’d build campaigns to send including those user preferences.

    Evan Callahan and I have chatted about this in theory but haven’t implemented yet - but Evan would be a great person to help with some additional strategy!

  2. Steve April 3, 2008 11:06 am

    Yes. All VR emails require the global unsubscribe link. We have thought that we could include a Manage My Preferences link that would go to a Plone page that presents a form for editing communication preference directly in sf.com. Lots of good options here, especially with Plone in the mix!

  3. Seth Schneider April 21, 2008 4:06 pm

    Thanks for the info Steve and Patrick. My organization (www.transcoalition.org) is getting close to Salesforce implementation (we’re about a week away from beginning data migration). In the next phase (this spring/summer) we’re going to be moving to a Salesforce-integrated e-mail blasting service. I had pretty much ruled out VR because of the global opt-out and the lack of support for multiple list subscriptions. But it’s good to hear about ways of working around the lack of list subscriptions. I’ll keep an eye on gokubi for updates.

    Do either of you see any compelling advantages of VR over Exact Target? (I believe there is a price advantage.)

  4. MIke April 30, 2008 10:41 pm

    thanks for the excellent summary, steve - the separation of vr info in the salesforce integration is frustrating, nice to have it confirmed.

    i checked with vertical response support on the unsub per list issue (hi seth!), here’s their response:

    “We are actually working on changing how our list system works and later this year the unsubs will be attributed to a list, not the whole account as it is now.”

    but, their response to a follow-up question confirms my fear this feature may not be well supported in the salesforce integration:

    “I don’t know the plan for SF, my guess is that if someone unsubs it will mark the Email opt-out field no matter what since there is just one field there. I am sure as the release date gets closer we will have a lot more info on this.”

    workarounds seem sufficient for us. so far we just included a separate email address for list-specific unsubscribes, but expect to support an unsubscribe page/form of some sort eventually.

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